Stop Campaigning and Start Conversing - The New Marketing Paradigm


TOPIC QUESTIONS
Q1) What is the difference between a marketing campaign and a customer conversation?
Q2) How do agencies have to change in order to create conversations instead of campaigns?
Q3) What are some examples of brands or agencies that have succeeded in making the jump from campaign to conversation?
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     2009-11-24
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     12PM - 1 PM EST
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BIO: Tom is a 15-year veteran of the marketing industry. During his career, he began to sense that traditional advertising research approaches were more often than not failing to effectively help him understand and reach the consumer. Therefore, after spending most of his career working as an advertising executive with larger regional, national and global clients, he and a partner formed Brandmarken a consumer insig ...more
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  • Whoa - Joost dead? RT RIP Joost http://bit.ly/6ceDzu #socialmedia #filmmakers
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  • How to Succeed with Online Idea Exchanges [White Paper] http://bit.ly/ideaexch #scrm #socialmedia
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  • #ommasocial This came up on a recent blog I follow -- parenting, no time to travel? Women vs. men in #socialmedia
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  • iMediaC: The Evolution of the Lead Generation Portal http://bit.ly/4wajvw #socialmedia
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  • The Social Media (R)evolution: Your Time is Now | Brian Solis - PR 2.0 http://bit.ly/5k7FHV #socialmedia
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  • How to Succeed with Online Idea Exchanges [White Paper] http://bit.ly/ideaexch #scrm #socialmedia
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  • She does lots of grassroots outreach & meets people in person; i.e. BlogHer. From there a relationship is born #sm35
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  • or tiptoe RT : You shouldnt jump in2 the convo; you have to fall into it and trust. #sm35
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  • what does "scale" of others mean?It's all reletive, if it meets their obj/goals set out.its a win! Thx 4 sharing ;) #sm35
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  • That's why I always say "There's no "ME" in Social Media." Oh wait. Scratch that. There actually is... #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • You shouldn't jump into the conversation; you have to fall into it and trust. #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • FTC alert ;-) RT : I think is doing a good job of blending campaigns w/conversations. #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • Being that you're a high tech marketer (I was for 15 years), we could chat all day about mktg, branding & SM! :) #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • Brands That Get It http://bit.ly/72hMnT #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • Q3: Cisco, Starbucks, Comcast, Dell R just a few companies I think have done well transitioning frm cmpns to convos. #sm35
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  • u sound like buzz lightyear ;) #sm35
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  • RT : RT Q3. wht R sum xamples of brands or agencies that have succeeded in mkg jump from campaign 2 conversation? #sm35
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  • Re. White Paper offer. You've got to put an "ironic" face on that. I almost blocked you. ;o{)} #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • I think is doing a good job of blending campaigns w/conversations. Then again, I would say that, right? :) #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • - Walking is nothing more than falling forward in a controlled manner. #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • A couple of local Memphians "get it" and do it well just not to scale of others #sm35
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  • RT Q3. What are some examples of brands or agencies that have succeeded in making the jump from campaign to conversation? #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • Sorry, I thought we were talkling about ME (tm - all rights reserved). #sm35
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  • RT : Im sure there r many small/local biz doing well, just dont get the limelight. Id love 2 hear more of their stories #sm35 #sm35
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  • yes face that issue every day with national clients that span timezones, cultures, etc #sm35
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  • Wanted another good one that knows about is doing well #sm35
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  • +relevance RT :Its all about authenticity. SM can expose brand authenticity more than any other medium.4 better or worse #sm35
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  • Exactly! RT : Prob is ppl dont get branding is more thn just relationships. It's the logo, it's the msg, etc. #sm35
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  • me 2 RT : sure there r many small/local biz doing well, just dont get the limelight. Id love 2 hear more of their stories #sm35 #sm35
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  • great thought RT : a willingness to fail but fail forward #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • One key to "doing it right" is trusting your employees. B/c hard to do right w/ only 1 voice, or a marketing/PR voice. #sm35
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  • how does she connect with them in first place? #sm35
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  • Im sure there r many small/local biz doing well, just dont get the limelight. Id love 2 hear more of their stories #sm35 #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • Hi I'm me. Let's talk about me. U will luv me. ;) RT : Like walking up to group at party touting yourself. #sm35 #sm35
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  • RT : It's all about authenticity. SM can expose brand authenticity more than any other medium. 4 better or worse #sm35
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  • a willingness to fail but fail forward #sm35
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  • What we have to remember w/ Zappos, other "buzz" brands, is that lots of ppl aren't listening, don't know they exist. #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • why do you think those co's have been able to "do it right"? #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • Yes, I'd love to hear abt more than just the often repeated ones. Brands that are doing things right but not getting recog #sm35
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  • the Dell Hell problem aside, their employees seem to be tweeting successfully for now. #sm35
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  • I'm biased (work 4 HP) but "gets" it- she's real, she's connected w/customers, she is always sharing good info #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • [blatant insert into convo] agreed! if yr co. is trying to tell me yr product is best, i'm not listening. ask me what I think #sm35
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  • Re. Like walking up to group at party touting yourself. #sm35 Brand not = to self- promotion. It's about being helpful to humans
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • #godiva is good example. created Gems to market in stores in fraction of time from long time digital conversation they have set up #sm35
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  • That's not conversation. That's the quickest way to get me to stop listening and ignore you next time. #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • Zappos is easy, dunkin donuts, United Airlines, Burger King, ... #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • It's all about authenticity. SM can expose a brands authenticity more than any other medium. For better or worse #sm35
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  • RT Too many brands try to insert their brand into a convo. blatantly. Like walking up to grp at party and touting yourself. #sm35
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  • Yes, customers experience a Logo and Message and the resulting feeling is important, this is part of brand...Identity #sm35
    Posted by: - 11/24/2009 11:55:56 AM
  • Amen brotha! Some can now even happen over night. RT : You will fail if you don't deliver on your brand promise #sm35
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or tiptoe RT : You shouldnt jump in2 the convo; you have to fall into it and trust. #sm35
FTC alert ;-) RT : I think is doing a good job of blending campaigns w/conversations. #sm35
u sound like buzz lightyear ;) #sm35
yes face that issue every day with national clients that span timezones, cultures, etc #sm35
me 2 RT : sure there r many small/local biz doing well, just dont get the limelight. Id love 2 hear more of their stories #sm35 #sm35
great thought RT : a willingness to fail but fail forward #sm35
how does she connect with them in first place? #sm35
Hi I'm me. Let's talk about me. U will luv me. ;) RT : Like walking up to group at party touting yourself. #sm35 #sm35
why do you think those co's have been able to "do it right"? #sm35
do their employees tweet, etc.? #sm35
RT : Q2: Agencies need to formalize listening and absorbing customer expectations / input / reactions as part of the big plan. #sm35
So it would seem that Patagonia is going a good job of convo vs campaign. Anyone else know of agency/brand doing it right? #sm35
Q3. What are some examples of brands or agencies that have succeeded in making the jump from campaign to conversation? #sm35
Y'all are killin it... let's finish up with this next Q. #sm35
but can't you say you stand for something but then in truth you don't? Is that really making a brand promise? #sm35
you've got a date. we'll take a cab this time ;-) #sm35
do you have to "say" you stand for somehing or can u just demonstrate it via SocMe? #sm35
smart person #sm35
y'all are rockin it...sorry if i'm falling behind... keep it coming. #sm35
so talk around the brand vs about the brand? #sm35
Q3. What are some examples of brands or agencies that have succeeded in making the jump from campaign to conversation? #sm35
Y'all are killin it... let's finish up with this next Q. #sm35
but can't you say you stand for something but then in truth you don't? Is that really making a brand promise? #sm35
you've got a date. we'll take a cab this time ;-) #sm35
do you have to "say" you stand for somehing or can u just demonstrate it via SocMe? #sm35
smart person #sm35
y'all are rockin it...sorry if i'm falling behind... keep it coming. #sm35
so talk around the brand vs about the brand? #sm35
or tiptoe RT : You shouldnt jump in2 the convo; you have to fall into it and trust. #sm35
FTC alert ;-) RT : I think is doing a good job of blending campaigns w/conversations. #sm35
u sound like buzz lightyear ;) #sm35
yes face that issue every day with national clients that span timezones, cultures, etc #sm35
me 2 RT : sure there r many small/local biz doing well, just dont get the limelight. Id love 2 hear more of their stories #sm35 #sm35
great thought RT : a willingness to fail but fail forward #sm35
how does she connect with them in first place? #sm35
Hi I'm me. Let's talk about me. U will luv me. ;) RT : Like walking up to group at party touting yourself. #sm35 #sm35
why do you think those co's have been able to "do it right"? #sm35
do their employees tweet, etc.? #sm35
RT : Q2: Agencies need to formalize listening and absorbing customer expectations / input / reactions as part of the big plan. #sm35
So it would seem that Patagonia is going a good job of convo vs campaign. Anyone else know of agency/brand doing it right? #sm35
agree. orgs that get it benefit from ROI on sales/leads AND feedback loop that replaces focus groups ;-) #sm35
but what if cust wants something that not in brands long term best interest? ie BMW used to be yuppie car #sm35
agencies or clients? Do agencies really drive that or do clients with their compensation models? #sm35
In what way? RT : Change the culture first #sm35
like this idea RT : I would say that ancillary marketing within conversation is where youd want to be. #sm35
Q2 So how do ad agencies have to change in order to create conversations instead of campaigns? #sm35
Q1a so is there such a thing as a marketing conversation? #sm35
exactly. will it alienate vegans? maybe but sport mkt is so much larger maybe that it pays off? #sm35
yes it does RT : Doesnt it go back to the setting goals? Why does the client want to be involved in socmed? #sm35
agree they should. otherwise, lose their brand #sm35
but what if cust wants something that not in brands long term best interest? ie BMW used to be yuppie car #sm35
really? what does Nutella enable? But I know a lot of folks that love that stuff and will talk about it all day long #sm35
so how do you integrate SocMe with a Media planner's job? RT : Yes, Social Media should bridge silos #sm35
agree. orgs that get it benefit from ROI on sales/leads AND feedback loop that replaces focus groups ;-) #sm35
i hope not #sm35
Q2 So how do ad agencies have to change in order to create conversations instead of campaigns? #sm35
Q1a so is there such a thing as a marketing conversation? #sm35
agree RT :RT :Agencies have 2 know brand culture +target stimulating side-channel convo related 2 brands goals #sm35
exactly. will it alienate vegans? maybe but sport mkt is so much larger maybe that it pays off? #sm35
RT : RE Q2 - Agencies should think of a brands social content like physical product, it carries the brands aesthetic & quality #sm35
yep totally agree RT : Were getting ahead of ourselves. This is a huge shift all around w/in Brand Structure & Agencies. #sm35 #sm35
yes it does RT : Doesnt it go back to the setting goals? Why does the client want to be involved in socmed? #sm35
agree but would you join a convo of other outdoorsmen that was underwritten by outdoor brands? #sm35
agree they should. otherwise, lose their brand #sm35
think agencies can transition RT : so does it take a complete re-start like can existing agency transition? #sm35
like this idea RT : I would say that ancillary marketing within conversation is where youd want to be. #sm35
fair assumption #sm35
In what way? RT : Change the culture first #sm35
i hope not #sm35
really? what does Nutella enable? But I know a lot of folks that love that stuff and will talk about it all day long #sm35
so how do you integrate SocMe with a Media planner's job? RT : Yes, Social Media should bridge silos #sm35
agencies or clients? Do agencies really drive that or do clients with their compensation models? #sm35
agree but would you join a convo of other outdoorsmen that was underwritten by outdoor brands? #sm35
think agencies can transition RT : so does it take a complete re-start like can existing agency transition? #sm35
fair assumption #sm35
agree RT :RT :Agencies have 2 know brand culture +target stimulating side-channel convo related 2 brands goals #sm35
RT : RE Q2 - Agencies should think of a brands social content like physical product, it carries the brands aesthetic & quality #sm35
yep totally agree RT : Were getting ahead of ourselves. This is a huge shift all around w/in Brand Structure & Agencies. #sm35 #sm35
bring it on dog...RT : I hope is ready. 4 #socialmedia tweetchat. http://bit.ly/8gdJZO #sm35
RT : To that I would say -- what are orgs doing to keep the convo going "outside the envelope"? #sm35
but now days isn't everything about brand? it all reflects on the core brand - mkting, svc, socme, all of it #sm35
totally agree not a new DM channel #sm35
agree. convo for convo sake equals unemployment #sm35
so maybe campaign is instigator to conversation? #sm35
like Dominos RT : RT : Need to move from monologue to dialogue. Marketing as a service. Offer utility. #sm35
or maybe old habits dying hard? RT : Q1:Lets not forget the campaign cycle is also due to budget allocation #sm35
follow up to previous RT LCD = lowest common denominator #sm35
Luv this RT : #sm35 Convo allows you 2 care/respond/deal w/the individual customers experience, campaigns water down LCD #sm35
maybe the better term is "nudge" instead of "push"?? #sm35
good ? here RT : so is the term social media campaign then oxymoronic? #sm35
is convo about what they want to buy or maybe goal is to understand what they might want to buy? #sm35
like this RT : A campaign intends to change behavior based on 1-way comm. A convo is 2 way and may be iterative. #sm35
can a convo not be focused on achieving a clear objective say brand perception movement? #sm35
Q1 What is the difference between a marketing campaign and a customer conversation? #sm35
fixin to host #sm35 -- apology in advance for volume of tweets in my stream over next hour.
me too #sm35
TweetChat open: check. TweetDeck open: check Water: check Rockin music: check. Think I'm ready to kick it at #Sm35 u comin? t minus 5 min
RT : Agencies-what sayeth you? chat in 20: Why brands need 2 evolve out of campaign thinking: http://bit.ly/8gdJZO #sm35
but what if client doens't know how to define? #sm35
yep RT : For some companies / orgs the conversation isnt happening yet, so they need to create the conversation. #sm35
maybe. but the reality is for a brand, it's all about leads/sales. They aren't doing this as a hobby. #sm35
Today's #socialmedia chat we'll talk about why brands need 2 evolve out of campaign thinking http://bit.ly/9SzmT follow #sm35 12 EST
RT : Whoop-Whoop My Man 's rockin nxt SocMed chat.Stop Campaigning & Start Conversing 12 EST #sm35 http://bit.ly/5r8G5m
I'm hosting this 2day. Join me?? 'Why brands need 2 evolve out of campaign thinking' http://bit.ly/9SzmT follow #sm35 12 EST
kind of glad they weren't ;-) RT : Agree. Brands/agencies should have been listening/watching this tweetchat #sm35
or tiptoe RT : You shouldnt jump in2 the convo; you have to fall into it and trust. #sm35
FTC alert ;-) RT : I think is doing a good job of blending campaigns w/conversations. #sm35
u sound like buzz lightyear ;) #sm35
ike thinks Jamie needs to host... #sm35
think you can keep it going. once the door is open, be interesting, be helpful, keeps convo going #sm35
Y'all rocked it today... really great stuff. so much to revisit and think about. Thanks for playing along. #sm35
agree. wish they'd just call it Conversational Marketing instead #sm35
but if you come and I don't like you I block you. free or not, it's an invite no? #sm35
RT : Q2: can I get crazy? what about Institutions or public/private sectors, w cross over success? #sm35
totally agree RT : Actually, I'd say in SM you have to be interesting enough to be invited to the conversation #sm35
thanks for coming too.... #socialmedia #sm35
enjoyed it. thanks for joining us #sm35
thx. loved your contributions good POV #sm35
thanks for coming too.... #socialmedia #sm35