Facebook blowback: What's the upshot for social media?


TOPIC QUESTIONS
Q1) Has Facebook gone too far with "Open Graph," infringing on our notions of "private" information?
Q2) What's the disconnect between the elites and the 425 million users who could care less?
Q3) Marketers are salivating over the troves of FB members' personal information that has become public. Is this a land mine waiting to go off?
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  • RT : It used to be we traded our privacy for safety, now we do it for convenience. We are our own worst enemies #sm60 (via: )
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:29:03 PM
  • Marketers who use FB data are def. complicit: data -> marketing campaign -> profit all around #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:28:04 PM
  • RT : Re: privacy - Facebook's fundamental issue is confusing their private interest with public good #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:27:03 PM
  • Yes, I have seen those "distancing" statements from FB top management recently. Interesting. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:27:03 PM
  • RT : RT : Maybe someone from FB is listening but not allowed yet to publicly engage :) #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:27:03 PM
  • Actually, I've had the best luck using TweetChat.com to follow these chats. They move so cotton-pickin' fast! #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:27:03 PM
  • RT : Shameless plug: we'll be discussing #facebook #privacy at Computers, Freedom, and Privacy June 15-18 http://cfp2010.org #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:26:01 PM
  • exactly - why I think Diaspora is a mistake - effort going into copying, sole objective "not FB" #sm60.
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:26:01 PM
  • The CFO and other C-level have often caveated end of statements with "this is what mark believes, i'm not so sure" #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:26:01 PM
  • Thank you - just followed. Look forward to interacting with you further. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:26:01 PM
  • We want seamless collaboration & platform that connects, not destination. Start with objectives not copycat #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:24:03 PM
  • i completely understand. prob i have is saying it's ok for someone to actively F##$ me and still do biz with them #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:24:03 PM
  • #sm60 FB changing because web, tech, user expectations changing. Cont...
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:23:03 PM
  • I agree that ousting Zuckerberg is only real way to establish trust, if that's even possible. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:23:03 PM
  • RT : It used to be we traded our privacy for safety, now we do it for convenience. We are our own worst enemies #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:23:03 PM
  • Thanks For stopping by today Chris #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:23:03 PM
  • i think its only way to re-establish trust in a short timeframe, and they don't want this crack open long #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:22:03 PM
  • Great conversing with you today. Thanks for the comments. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:22:03 PM
  • RT : Maybe someone from FB is listening but not allowed yet to publicly engage :) #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:22:03 PM
  • I just don't like any ads - targeted or untargeted; that's why I use Firefox with adblock add-on. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:22:03 PM
  • problem I have is with people forgetting that internet is inherently open, and barriers may be removed. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:22:03 PM
  • i do actually, but i haven't investigated his % shares and BOD status which would effect that if he resisted #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:22:03 PM
  • My point Nigel is the starting point is FB - Seem many try & fail to adapt the model. Rather think from other side cont. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:22:03 PM
  • looking forward to you hosting #sm61 next wk #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:21:03 PM
  • cool. I think advertising on FB should be as targeted as possible, and personally have no problem with privacy. #sm60.
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:21:03 PM
  • . If there's one thing we know it's that people have strong opinions about Facebook, privacy & our data. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:21:03 PM
  • You think there's any realistic chance of forcing Zuckerberg out? #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:20:04 PM
  • RT : It's ironic that we did this on Twitter rather than Facebook. So far, Twitter hasn't shown world domination tendencies. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:20:04 PM
  • I doubt it will happen anytime soon, but we'll certainly have the option to have these convos via FB soon. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:19:03 PM
  • Thx for RTs & interaction #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:19:03 PM
  • New post on Socialmedia.biz: video interview w/ the ineffable about Biz360 & #socialmedia http://bit.ly/b6VNvT #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:19:03 PM
  • : I agree with you Re: Facebook alternative #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:19:03 PM
  • this convo is definitely helping to prepare me for my big debate on this Thu. so i appreciate the opposite view #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:18:03 PM
  • I doubt it will happen anytime soon, but we'll certainly have the option to have these convos via FB soon. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:18:02 PM
  • Thx for RTs & interaction #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:18:02 PM
  • New post on Socialmedia.biz: video interview w/ the ineffable about Biz360 & #socialmedia http://bit.ly/b6VNvT #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:18:02 PM
  • : I agree with you Re: Facebook alternative #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:18:02 PM
  • RT : We will soon trade our privacy for 10% off your next sandwich in a franchise outlet near you. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:17:03 PM
  • what's to say the alternative wouldn't have a marketing / ad based biz model as well? #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:17:03 PM
  • Reading today's #sm60 chat. Meant to join in, but this pesky CST gets me every time. Facebook is a hot topic.
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:16:02 PM
  • there is also a mashable link ther for the opposing view which u seem to share #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:16:02 PM
  • Such a good point. I'm not participating nearly as much on Facebook now; mostly just observing. #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:16:02 PM
  • C ths post 4 my full opinion on that http://socialfresh.com/in-defense-of-facebook-a-response/ #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:16:02 PM
  • Would be sad if Twitter died at the hands of FB... #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:16:02 PM
  • did I say that? I find weightloss ads insulting when I'm trying to gain weight - obviously not targeted well. #sm60.
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:16:02 PM
  • Are you talking about Status Updates or posting on a friend's wall? #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:16:02 PM
  • RT : It used to be we traded our privacy for safety, now we do it for convenience. We are our own worst enemies #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:16:02 PM
  • Happy to connect with the peeps who dove into #sm60 - if u follow, I promise to follow you back.
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:16:02 PM
  • Thanks, everyone. As usual u did a great job. Next weeks host, provided we don't have a conflict, will be #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:14:04 PM
  • Thanks, everyone. As usual u did a great job. Next weeks host, provided we don't have a conflict, will be #sm60
    Posted by: - 05/18/2010 01:14:04 PM
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. If there's one thing we know it's that people have strong opinions about Facebook, privacy & our data. #sm60
New post on Socialmedia.biz: video interview w/ the ineffable about Biz360 & #socialmedia http://bit.ly/b6VNvT #sm60
New post on Socialmedia.biz: video interview w/ the ineffable about Biz360 & #socialmedia http://bit.ly/b6VNvT #sm60
Happy to connect with the peeps who dove into #sm60 - if u follow, I promise to follow you back.
OK, I've learned that (not cotweet) is best way to follow #sm60 thread, tho still dizzying!
OK, I've learned that (not cotweet) is best way to follow #sm60 thread, tho still dizzying!
RT : Shameless plug: we'll be discussing #facebook #privacy at Computers, Freedom, and Privacy June 15-18 http://cfp2010.org #sm60
Thanks , I do feel badly about the Facebook pile-on, but I'm doing it out of love. #sm60
I suppose it's ironic that we did this on Twitter rather than Facebook. So far, Twitter hasn't shown world domination tendencies. #sm60
Thanks, , for the adrenaline rush this morning. Tweetchat rocks! Will be happy to carry on for a bit. #sm60
But for now, Facebook is the site that really matters, given its astonishing stats: http://bit.ly/aCWGxl #sm60
As for Q3, I think other social sites will now think twice before being (cavalier? hubristic?) about releasing members' data. #sm60
. Trouble with open source alternatives is they'll need tens of millions to offer anything comparable to Facebook. #sm60
RT : there are other alternatives like and Appleseed and other. more at http://is.gd/ceQg3 #sm60
. Diaspora, because it will happen in this decade. :~) #sm60
. Perhaps Facebook is nervous about a public statement blowing up on them, or providing legal grist for coming lawsuits. #sm60
RT : For me, that's the biggy. This auto-generated content. #sm60
Guessing that few people have heard of Diaspora, the still unlaunched open source alternative to FB: http://bit.ly/dnDgSM #sm60
. I disagree. Just bec Facebook is free doesn't mean we have no right to complain. Ultimately tho we're free to go elsewhere #sm60
. FB would like to think it's becoming the Web, & i give it kudos for recent moves toward openness, but it ain't the Web. #sm60
mike argues that blippy.com proves people don't care about privacy anymore, but i think this is a tiny, tiny minority. #sm60
Read recently that blippy.com raised millions in funding for people who want to share their purchasing info online. #sm60
. I think Facebook is naive if it thinks third parties will make benign use of its members' public data. #sm60
RT : YourOpenBook.com was a definite eye opener for me. It's amazing what some people will share online. #SM60
. For sure. The masses don't lead the pundits, that would just be wrong. #sm60
I think Conway's sentiment is what's setting off some alarms. If Facebook is "becoming" the Web, its actions matter hugely. #sm60
I think Conway's sentiment is what's setting off some alarms. If Facebook is "becoming" the Web, its actions matter hugely. #sm60
“Face­book is becom­ing the Web. Every­thing you need is there. .. It is the universe.” - Facebook investor Ron Conway. #sm60
Faceook, privacy and the law video: http://bit.ly/cEjp9q #sm60
. I've pretty much been emulating . The info I put up on Facebook is stuff I'm comfortable sharing with public. #SM60
. I agree, I think Facebook will come out of this ok, but lost trust is awfully hard to regain. #FB #SM60
RT : Read for counter viewpoint. Younger generations upset when they understand implications. #sm60
RT : I think some marketers will get themselves in trouble with access to this info, eventually. Backlash always comes #sm60
http://youropenbook.com is new search engine that searches status updates/public info on Facebook. (Not responding now 4 some reason) #sm60
Q2: Some marketers are salivating over troves of FB members' personal info that's now public. Is this a land mine waiting to go off? #sm60
. I don't think there's been any slowdown in FB's growth, so wondering if this is an issue avg. user doesn't care/know about #sm60
. I don't think there's been any slowdown in FB's growth, so wondering if this is an issue avg. user doesn't care/know about #sm60
Agree, , few folks know what Open Graph is. Here are some of the new features (scroll down): http://bit.ly/aCWGxl #sm60
For those who haven't seen the Evolution of Privacy on Facebook: http://bit.ly/99W7t9 #sm60
For those who haven't seen the Evolution of Privacy on Facebook: http://bit.ly/99W7t9 #sm60
Interesting to see coming to Facebook's defense again: http://tcrn.ch/as8wzJ #sm60
Yes, it's an odd business model. But I love fact that Facebook is constantly iterating. Big businesses rarely push envelope. #sm60
I agree tho Facebook points out that 10 million more people have joined since they announced Open Graph last month. #sm60
Aren't security and privacy pretty inextricably linked? It's about security of your own data, no? #sm60
Aren't security and privacy pretty inextricably linked? It's about security of your own data, no? #sm60
I think a lot of these new Facebook capabilities are pretty cool. It's hard to say how widespread public outrage is tho. #sm60
I think a lot of these new Facebook capabilities are pretty cool. It's hard to say how widespread public outrage is tho. #sm60
Word is, Facebook is seemingly once again caught off guard & is discussing modifications to Open Graph. What do y'all think about it? #sm60
Word is, Facebook is seemingly once again caught off guard & is discussing modifications to Open Graph. What do y'all think about it? #sm60
Just read 's column about Facebook backlash: http://bit.ly/bC6Y3S where he chats with FB's Bret Taylor () #sm60
Just read 's column about Facebook backlash: http://bit.ly/bC6Y3S where he chats with FB's Bret Taylor () #sm60
I'll be your merry host for next hour. Q1: Has Facebook gone too far with "Open Graph," infringing on our notions of "private" info? #sm60
Morning, folks! Tweetchat is kicking off now. Follow #sm60 hashtag or http://bit.ly/bZHDXp Today's topic: #Facebook blowback! #socialmedia
Regular followers, you're in for jolt at top of hour: I'm hosting Tweetchat at #sm60 so expect unusually heavy dose of tweets. #socialmedia
If any #facebook or #facebookfail folks want to join in, we're having an hourlong Tweetchat about FB & #privacy in a half hour: at #sm60